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Poster: Ron2112 Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

> Why would you want archive.org to stop preserving
> these recordings even if they can no longer make them
> available to the public?

What would the point be of donating my recordings to such an "archive?" I'd be just as well off burying my tapes in the back yard and leaving a map for my kids to find someday.

Here's a better idea....I hereby declare myself a non-profit achiving entity. Everyone now feel free to send me all your GD shows, and I promise to archive them safely for decades to come.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but do you see my point?


> If the powers that be change their mind and let
> them out again, where will archive.org get them?

Nothing in Brewster's statement indicates that this is a possibility, let alone why the shows were removed in the first place. No one (besides you) even know who the "powers that be" are, so as to have an appropriate avenue to vent our frustration.

Peace,
Ron

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Poster: mikeyG Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:23am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

Im not sure if anyone knows this or if it has already been discussed, but how much say did the existing members of the Grateful Dead have in this decision.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:29am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

What would the point be of donating my recordings to such an "archive?" I'd be just as well off burying my tapes in the back yard and leaving a map for my kids to find someday.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but do you see my point?


I don't see your point at all. The recordings are not yours, or mine. And neither of us donated them - so how can you possibly feel you have the right to order burning them? Burning libraries (even private ones) cannot be justified in my mind, and it depresses me that people would push for it. Nothing about these decisions changes the fact that 30 years of this artist is worth preservation.

There's a bigger picture than todays frustration. Destroying stuff is never the answer.

Nothing in Brewster's statement indicates why the shows were removed in the first place.

"the Internet Archive has been asked to change how the Grateful Dead concert recordings are being distributed
on the Archive site for the time being."

I don't know about you, but that shouts that someone with legal authorization requested it.

No one (besides you) even know who the "powers that be" are, so as to have an appropriate avenue to vent our frustration.

To repeat what I said above - I was never privy to the info either. All I know is that Brewster's statement clearly shows us the decision did not originate from archive.org, and this does not surprise me in the least.

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Poster: Hatta Date: Nov 23, 2005 2:09am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

If someone from the dead contacted them and asked them to change their policy, then why don't they publish the letter? This has happened before:

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-band-details.php?band_id=83

It's not a big deal when everyone's forthcoming about what's going on. It's the secrecy, and the uncharacteristicly shabby way the band is treating its fans that has everyone up in arms. The Grateful Dead have something to hide.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Nov 23, 2005 9:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

If someone from the dead contacted them and asked them to change their policy, then why don't they publish the letter?

Probably because the letter was combined with the request "please don't publish this".

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Poster: tamb Date: Nov 23, 2005 9:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

I've been a dead supporter for years, yes we've all heard it before (spent thousands of dollars), they havent posted anything, lets see?

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Poster: Ron2112 Date: Nov 23, 2005 2:03am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

> I don't see your point at all. The recordings are not
> yours, or mine. And neither of us donated them - so
> how can you possibly feel you have the right to order
> burning them?

Who said anything about "burning" the library? I used the word "bury" as a metaphor to describe what you guys are doing with the material that has been donated to you.

Bringing this back to the original point: as custodians of material that has been generously DONATED to you, the administration of this site owes the community the common courtesy of a more precise explanation than what has been provided so far.

Peace,
Ron

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 23, 2005 2:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?

It's when you said it like this:

they should return every last disc to the proper owners and expunge the data from their personal archives. or they should return all their borrowed recordings to the rightful owners

that images of burning came to mind. :(

Heh, "burying" for the future is actually low-tech archiving though, isn't it? If someone had just thrown a big mound of dirt over the Library instead of torching it, think of all the Sophocles we'd have on hand now.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 23, 2005 2:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: IA Preservation

Burning libraries (even private ones) cannot be justified in my mind, and it depresses me that people would push for it.

A previous post by Brewster about a 1-year experiment on something else here:

"You may ask-- why a test period of a year? well we are an archive and we think long term. Our culture makes us hesitant about taking things out of archives (images of burning come to mind), and restrictions that last forever. Forever is a long time."

Reminder: The logo in the upper left corner of any IA page is a reference to the Library of Alexandria.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-23 10:02:09

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Poster: dire--wolf Date: Nov 23, 2005 8:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Removal: What's the Whole Story?


what or who is the answer? can't anyone just say it? was it the grateful dead or not?!!! let's please put this to rest!!

peacefully and respectfully, thank you :)